Poker Stars, $300 + $20 NL Hold’em Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds, 9 Players
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MP2: 27,401
CO: 95,299
BTN: 29,780
Hero (SB): 28,070
BB: 25,954
UTG: 20,960
UTG+1: 15,156
UTG+2: 21,026
MP1: 46,580
Pre-Flop: (1,950) J J dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 1,000, 3 folds, BTN raises to 5,000, Hero calls 4,500, BB folds, UTG+2 calls 4,000
Flop: (16,450) 4 6 6 (3 Players)
Hero bets 23,020 and is All-In, 2 folds
Results: 16,450 Pot
Hero mucked J J and WON 16,450 (+11,400 NET)
I was new to the table and did not recognize the UTG+2 player, so I was not sure what to make of his limp. That also made it difficult to interpret the Button’s raise. Was he attacking a player whom he’d seen make weak limps before? Or did he have a legitimately strong hand? I did think that his raise to 5000 would make him more likely to show up with AK than with KK or AA. I also thought it was very unlikely for him to have a worse pair than mine, so my plan was to get it in if no Ace flopped.
However, I was also prepared to dump it if the limper moved all in and the raiser called. Giving them both a range of {TT+, AQs+, AK}, I’m getting just barely the right odds to call for the main pot but I’m a dog against the Button for our sidepot. It’s a close enough to neutral EV spot that I’d be comfortable folding. If the Button had folded, I’d need to puke and call the limper getting better than 2:1. If he had done something really shady like min-re-raised, I probably would have folded.
More important than finding excuses to get away from my hand, though, was giving the limper the opportunity to make a bad call if he had been limping in with worse. He’s almost surely ditching TT if I shove pre-flop.
Calling off 25% of my stack here looks very strong, and if Button does have a whiffed AK, I don’t expect him to bluff at the flop. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see the limper check this flop with a pair, even though he shouldn’t be calling preflop unless he thinks his pair is best. So I thought the weakest-looking thing I could do was shove this flop. I can’t imagine the average tournament playing folding 88. I don’t know what UTG+2 had, but he thought a long time and folded. He probably did have a pair and realized that I was likely to have a better one. Good fold by him, but it’s a realization he should have had preflop.
Really, though, this hand illustrates why I find tournament poker so frustrating. My first instinct was just to shove preflop, and although I think this is a better line, the difference between them is minuscule because the stacks are so shallow. There’s just not enough room for skillful play deep in most online tournaments.
Right. Shoving here will only get you calls from hands that beat you, or hands that you’re racing against. QQ+ or AQ+
But I think your line of shoving any non-ace flop is solid. It could still be called by QQ+, but now you may also get callers with 88-TT…and possibly a terrible player with AK.
I also think his PF raise to 5BB could be such a huge range, and even less likely to be QQ+. AND the limper probably would’ve reraised with QQ+ after seeing you call PF as well.
You had almost 30bb PF, so this was probably the best line.
-What about, 10BB, 15BB, 20BB??? They’re probably all PF shoves?