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Timestamps
:30 – hello & welcome
4:22 – strategy
33:56 – dannyn13
Strategy
Horseshoe Southern Indiana, 1/2NL, 8-handed, $270 effective stacks vs villain, hero has AdKs in MP1
-UTG+2 limps with $600 behind
-hero raises AdKs to $10 in MP1 with $260 behind
-MP2 calls with $180 behind
-villain calls in bb with $300 behind
-$41 in the middle and we see a flop of Kc4h5h
-villain in bb checks, UTG+2 checks, hero bets $30, MP2 folds, villain check/raises to $75, MP1 folds, hero calls
-ignoring rake, there is $191 in the middle and the turn is the 4s
-villain checks and hero checks
-the river is (the beautiful) Kd, villain checks, hero?
Hey guys,
I am a Seattle area resident, working in the software industry and getting in as much rec-play and occasional tournament volume as I can. I enjoy your podcast very much, both for the strategy insights and the interviews and as others mention, they are a welcome addition to my commute.
I have a hand to ask about, from Jason Summerville’s live twitch feed of the Dec. 5th Pokerstars Sunday millions.
Jason is well known as one of the pros working hard on advancing the cause of online poker and he strikes me as a high level player and a great guy overall.
In this hand, blinds are at 300/600 with no antes yet in play. Jason has 12,503, having doubled up from a short stack just a few hands ago. The table is 9 handed with Jason in the hijack spot looking down at Tc6c. The blinds stacks are 14K and 12K respectively.
It folds to Jason and after some discussion, he decides to attack this hand and opens to 1360. He explains that he hasn’t been doing this, folding many of these spots, but he thinks that the players behind are suitable for this; also says that if any of them shoves, he has to fold.
Q1: with 21 BB, should a hand as weak as this be in his raise-folding range?
It folds over to the BB, who makes it 3244. Jason says this is a gross spot, but he has to call 1884 to win 5444, getting almost 3:1 to call. He says that calling doesn’t make too much of a difference to his stack, and that he’s getting too good a price to fold in position. He calls.
Q2: shouldn’t he fold here almost all of the time? Even if he makes top pair, will he feel comfortable getting his stack in, which presumably is his reason for calling?
Flop comes Th3c2d. BB leads for 2271 into the 7328 pot, making it 9599. Jason shoves his last 9259 (15 BB) explaining that he’s priced in now and if facing JJ or better, has to say “god bless, GL to you”. BB calls. the software freezes for about 30 seconds, Jason says he doesn’t know what’s happening, maybe he’s already out. Finally, the board updates, showing that BB had QQ and the board run out was 7hQd, busting Jason.
Q3: this may be a moot question, but even after making (what I think) is the mistake of calling the preflop 3bet, shouldn’t this be a decent folding spot? I’m thinking that with 15 BB behind, he has enough fold equity left for a future shove in a better spot.
Thanks for the comment and for the kind notes about the show!
I think Jason plays better than I do, but a few notes:
(1) I’d standardly fold this preflop, and I think Jason would too, especially without antes. Presumably Jason’s comments suggested that he’d take it down often enough to justify the raise. Usually that won’t be true, but it’s not so uncommon to have a 40% or so chance to win right away, in which case even occasional OK situations when you get played with will be enough to turn the play profitable.
(2) The preflop call of the reraise is close. Jason knows these spots better than I do. His stack size helps here, as he avoids some of the ROI that would come with taking a (mostly-)one-middling-pair-making hand to the flop against an uncapped range. I am generally sympathetic to Ed Miller’s view (stated in a few places) that tournament players have sometimes ignored preflop pot odds way too much, and I don’t make a habit of folding getting 3-1 in position without terrible ROI. That said, this struck me as a close fold, for whatever that’s worth.
(3) If the flop is a folding spot, preflop is *certainly* a folding spot. I think that you can’t fold here when you make top pair–too many Broadway hands and light 3-betting hands miss this board. The only question (for me) is whether to call or raise. I haven’t thought this through completely, but I think that raising is better than calling, to avoid pricing in (or almost pricing in) a 6-outer, because we have better calling hands than this, because calling does not disguise our hand very well, and because a little bit of risk aversion is correct with these last big blinds.
Nice interview.
Nate – you mean Reverse Implied Odds I think rather than ROI (return on investment).
Yep! Thanks. [Padding so comment is of min length.]