Delightful little tournament. As in the Millionaire Maker the day before, I found plenty of good spots in a short amount of time and finished with time left over to play cash.
The table was, perhaps not quite as good as the previous day’s, but pretty spectacular. I made good use of one live tell, but mishandled another.
You Raise, I Call
At the 25/50 level, I looked down at 22 and was reaching for raising chips when I noticed the player on my left loading up. I grabbed just two green chips and called. He raised to 250, and I called. The flop came 843 and we both checked, so I immediately put him on whiffed overcards. The turn brought a 2, and I bet 200. This probably should have been more, but I really didn’t want to let him off the hook if he just had a gutshot, and I thought the smaller size might even keep in a hand like KQ. The river was a 9, I bet 400, and he called so quickly that I regretted not betting more, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable amount to expect an unimproved AQ to call.
Calling Chips
There was another pot where I can’t even remember what I had, but whatever it was, I was betting the river for value. I grabbed two yellow chips, planning to declare, “Twelve hundred”, but as I did so my opponent very clearly grabbed calling chips. I quickly changed course and said, “Fifteen hundred,” but he tanked for a long time before folding. What I should have realized is that he knew I could see him grabbing chips and it was actually a “strong-means-weak” tell meant to deter me from betting.
Blocking Bet?
The two significant pots that I lost were both to that same player.
At 75/150, I opened to 450 with As Kc on the Button, and the BB called. The flop came Ah 8h 3h, and he checked and called 500. He checked and called 1000 on a Qd turn, after a long tank.
The river was the 2h, and he threw out 1000 without much hesitation. At this point I was getting nearly 5:1 and convinced myself he could be block betting a worse Ace, but I don’t think that’s consistent with his thinking so long on the turn. I called, and he showed me 7c 6h.
Lucky Turn
I opened to 400 with ATo at the 100/200 level. Villain called, as did the CO, Button, and BB. I was pretty tempted just to give up, but the Q52 was a little too good, so I bet 700 into 2100. Villain called, and everyone else folded.
I had about a pot-sized bet behind, and was thinking Ks and Js would be great for shoving, but then a 3 popped off and I realized I had more backdoor straight draws than I’d consciously realized (though this was probably part of the reason the flop struck me as too good to give up). I stacked up my chips to jam, and Villain once again reached for his chips. Remembering what this meant the last time, I carried through on my shove, but he practically beat me into the pot. “I got very lucky,” he told me, turning over 33 for a turned set.
“Indeed you did,” I said, a little more snippily than I intended. On to the next one.
Another Lucky Turn
My cash session started off with more of the same. After scoping out five tables at two different venues, I settled into a 5/10 game at Bellagio. There were a few young guys who seemed like serious players, but only one of them seemed to rise above the level of “mediocre reg”, and there were a few soft spots as well.
I limped UTG with 22, two players limped behind, and then one of the seemingly mediocre regs made it $40 on the Button. The seemingly good reg on the BB called. Thinking that the Button would have raised bigger with a premium hand, I re-raised to $160. The action folded to him, and he called quickly. The BB called as well.
The flop came 6c 3c 3s. The BB checked, I bet $200 into a pot of about $500, the Button called with about $500 behind (this is why my flop sizing was small), and the BB folded.
I was ready to be done with it, but the turn was an offsuit Ace. Intriguing. I checked, and Villain checked behind. The river was a Q. I threw five black chips into the pot.
“So sick,” Villain said. “I know you got there. Ugh, I did not want to see a Queen.” Huh, that’s not what I wanted him to be afraid of. “Fuck it, I call,” he said, turning over Ac Kc. I showed him my twos, tossed him $500, and mentally demoted him from “mediocre reg” to “wannabe”.
Bad Donk
I played this one pretty badly to be honest, but because it turns out I was winning until the river, I’m allowed to feel sorry for myself, right?
UTG opened for $30, Wannabe called on the Button, and I called with 43o on the BB.
Flop ($95) 864r. I bet $70, UTG folded, Button quickly called.
Turn ($235) 2. I really need to just cut my losses here, but the gutshot was just too tempting to keep me from firing again. I bet $170, and Button called with no hesitation.
River ($575) A. This is probably a decent card to follow through, but he seemed in no mood to fold, so I finally gave it up. He proudly tabled A5o.
I planned to leave pretty soon and decided not to top my stack off from $1250 to the $1500 cap. Of course a few hands later I flopped the nuts and doubled through someone who probably would have paid off another $250 considering he put me all in for $500 more when I bet $500 on the river.
Pot Odds
I finally got my revenge, plus a good laugh, on what turned out to be my last hand of the session (I was waiting for dealer change because it was a time rake #nitcast). UTG, a weak player who’d been raising too much from all positions, opened for $40. UTG1, who seemed like a good pro, called. I made it $140 with As Js UTG2. Wannabe cold called from the SB, UTG called, and UTG1 called.
Flop ($575) 2s 3c 7h. Checked to me, I bet $300, SB called, the other two folded.
Turn ($1175) Ac. He checked. I briefly considered trying to get my value now, but I actually thought AK was a real possibility for SB, so I decided to check back and fold to a big river bet or value bet if he checked.
River ($1175) 2d. He checked. I thought about betting pot but settled on $700.
Wannabe groaned. “I told myself the bigger you bet, the more I was going to call you. You bet the pot. That means you have either Aces or nothing.” Wow, it was hard to keep a poker face after that little monologue. But he wasn’t done yet. “How much is in the pot?” he asked the dealer.
“I can’t tell you that,” she said.
“You can spread it out, right?” he said. She spread the pot. “Eleven hundred,” he muttered to himself. “That means I only have to be right half the time.” Again, I suppressed a smile. Finally, he gave up the facade and copped to his true logic: “Fuck it, I call.”
Question for Andrew, Nate, or anyone else who wants to chime in:
How the hell do you predict and handle the “Fuck it, I call” players?
I often play home games with these types of players and found that repping hands rarely works against them as they’ll always call down with bottom or middle pair. Aside from playing extra safe, are there any worthwhile strategies to implore against the players who are more inclined to gamble despite having a decent understanding of the game.
Do more value betting! I’m not sure what you mean by “extra safe”, but it definitely shouldn’t make you less inclined to make thin value bets, which I’m afraid may be part of what you mean. Make fewer “representational” bluffs that rely on them making big laydowns, do more thin value betting, and voila! They are among the easiest sort to play against IMO.
To loosely define extra safe, I mean to say I shouldn’t be trying to make big representation hands (just as you advised against).
I find it most difficult to extract money out of these players because they are always more inclined gamble than to make calculated decision based upon good fundamentals. I’ll definitely try a more straight forward approach of value betting and see how it goes.
To give more context, I play with a regular group from of varying skill levels (fish to ex-semi-pro). Oddly enough, I feel have an easier time playing against players who have a stronger understanding of the game. Perhaps because up to a certain point, everyone’s level of knowledge is fairly predictable and it’s in some ways much easier to exploit that. It’s a $50 home game so no one is losing a fortune, but I rarely leave in the red.
Thanks for the advice, I’ll put it to good use!
You key into bet-sizing info more than anyone else I know andrew. I’ve been trying to incorporate more of that into my own game of late. Curious, in the hand where you limp, reraise 22’s pre, would you ever make the same play without the sizing
You really key onto bet-sizing info. And I’ve been trying to incorporate more of that into my own game of late largely as a result of this site. With that said, considering the sizable readership of thinkingpoker, i wonder if (and to what degree) it leaves you susceptible to exploits.
Also curious, in the hand where you limp, reraise 22’s pre, would you ever make the same play without the small sizing info? (Say if button had made it $50 instead of $40).
I love those guys who are like that. They just never believe you have it.
> “Eleven hundred,” he muttered to himself (facing a 700 bet). “That means I only have to be right half the time.”
And you still left after this hand! Call the waitress over and ask them to lock the doors!
Misunderstanding pot odds is not exactly an uncommon occurrence.
It almost seems like the 1000 was a blocking bet (of higher but non-nut flushes) on the 76 hand. Did you consider jamming or did you or him not have enough behind?
There wasn’t a lot behind, and I generally don’t expect people to chase a draw and then fold when it gets there. I mean, he really shouldn’t have gotten to the river with a draw this weak in the first place, but even if he does, I think if he considered it worth chasing, he isn’t folding it for a pot-sized shove or whatever we had behind.