I’m too tired to try to pick out the most interesting hand of the tournament, so here’s the one I busted on. I’d be curious to hear from those who know more about this game whether I might be better off just calling flop. FWIW Villain is Caio Pimento, who’s a legendarily aggressive NLHE tournament player. He wasn’t like far and away the most aggressive player at our table or anything, but you can assume he’s got all the moves and is opening relatively wide etc.
Pre Flop: (t7500) Hero is SB with 8
T
2
A
UTG raises to t10000, 2 folds, Hero calls t7500, BB calls t5000
Flop: (t30000) K Q
2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t20000, Hero raises to t90000, BB folds, UTG raises to t148555 all in, Hero calls t44768 all in
Turn: (t299536) 9 (2 players – 2 are all in)
River: (t299536) 4 (2 players – 2 are all in)
Interesting. Pre BF I was exclusively a cash PLO8 player but wasn’t very good at plo8 MTTs so take it for what it’s worth. Looks like you put ~28 BB in with 26 going in on the flop?
I mean you are never going to be in terrible shape here with pair, nfd and gutterball. You even have a bd low draw, albeit not very good. Question is can there be a better line than just piling flop? I don’t see him bet/folding this flop too too much into 3 people so I think most times you raise you are getting it in. I suspect his bet/3b range is his entire leading range which I guess just means he’s rarely if ever b/f. So that should leave AABx (perhaps with diamonds), top 2, KKxx and broadway wraps. I’m guessing if you stove that you are in pretty good shape.
But I think given the MTT dynamic a case could be made for a peel. Just my gut and I’d have to run the #s but that’s my guess. You are in pos, with a ton of equity, and can really play most turns pretty easily. If you take this line you certainly are going to fold some equity on certain turns/rivers which sucks and you do turn your hand a bit face up. But a 20BB stack is still very workable with no antes.
Lol I have no answer for you. I think a bit deeper stack its a trivial call, a bit shallower it’s a trivial ship. 25-30 BB is just a tough spot in PL events.
Good run tho.
Preflop there’s a case to be made for 3-betting. You’re going to do fine on a lot of flops (you have 3 low cards; your hand has coverage on boards that are often bad for raising/reraising hands; you have a little high-card power; you can represent some boards you miss).
Moreover, shortening the stacks isn’t so bad with this hand (intuitive claim that should be verified). Often enough, you’ll flop well enough that you must continue but not well enough that it will be easy to play OOP against an aggressive player.
I like your flop k/r. I disagree that Caio isn’t b/f-ing in a three-way pot. He’s getting an OK price on a bluff or semibluff, especially if he’s willing to barrel or has some equity. Moreover, he could bet/fold a hand like a bad Q2, AAxx that doesn’t want to check back, etc. At a very soft table against a guy who’s *never* folding there’s a case for calling, but here I’d rather make the safe fundamental play of raising.
Also, if you don’t raise, it’s going to be hard to win unimproved with a pair of deuces, which will happen (very) occasionally as played and feels great.
I play exclusively cash -all variants of omaha(plo,fixed,NL)
Ok I am just omaha monkey- I do not use intellectual deduction rather I react to impulses.
I will try to spell out what my monkey is doing.
This is very good flop for UTG-player -opening relatively wide vs more conservative players.
We can assume K,Q hits his range . 2 enables his usually “weak” backdoor low potential and is knocking down opponents A2xx,32xx low or just low strength potential.
But even if UTG misses the flop entirely he is obliged to bet because of the perception and related high fold equity.
Your median on flop against UTG range is pretty good ~53%.The worst scenarios are ~%33.
The biggest problem is transition to turn.This is dynamic board and max 11 cards are good for you-any diamond or 2 .
The rest of deck will cut your equity on average by ~14%.Well you can jump to a conclusion that non-diamond 8 is neutral card.
The turn aggregate equity is not full story.The most of deck will polarize your component equities- flop 1/2(split) is low and will drop significantly on turn.
I simplified and discussed the equity(s) SB vs UTG but this is 3-way flop of course.Well the monkey do not care about details consciously.
The flop SPR injects a lot of problems but this is not problem for my monkey.
The most crucial elements for my monkey is his bet sizing vs history,timing of his bet on flop,general dynamics of the game.
If I were you -and I had intellectual inclinations I will dump the above description which is really NL holdem style narration-analysis.
My experience tells me that NL holdem style narration-analysis is limited tool to use and learn concepts in plo or plo8 because you will became equity winner on the flop and overall $ loser.
To find out you need to forget about narration-(ego story) and hit hard your PT4(Holdem M) database and inspect boards: KxQy2x,KxQx2y in 3 way scenarios.
Of course you have more that 11 “good” cards.I forgot about 3 Jacks.
I was more of a PLO8 cash game player a few years ago, and there is nothing wrong with getting it in here. Your equity is good against all but the perfect top of his range.
I guess the most important aspect on this hand is whether or not you were getting it in here for value, or if you really were semi-bluffing, expecting folds some % of the time. It’s not really a value play, as you really want folds here a good chunk of the time. So the only way to figure out if you made a “mistake” by raising is if he shows up here with a hand you were expecting him to fold.
Interesting point about value vs semi-bluff but I do not agree.
Andrew raise eliminated BB.His call could easily invite BB to participate with weaker range(naked open-ended or gut-shot + flush draw combinations).
So you have quiet new dynamics .The BB participation plus actual 9c looks formidable.9d is value town.
I don’t like raising pre at all from an UTG raiser. This hand looks a lot better than it really is. If we are 3b pre I guess we are stacking off with it and that’s a disaster IMO.
I agree that we don’t *want* to get it in pre. But we’re >46% against AQQ3, >52% against AQ73, etc. An aggressive opener at a 6-handed table is going to have a lot of hands. If he’s folding some of them, raising could well be better than trying to play deeper OOP.