One of My Thinner Value Bets

…and not necessarily a good one.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold’em, $50.00 BB (2 handed) – Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($5664)
SB ($8603)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, K
SB calls $25, Hero checks

Flop: ($100) K, 2, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $66, SB calls $66

Turn: ($232) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $187, SB calls $187

River: ($606) J (2 players)
Hero bets $411, SB calls $411

Total pot: $1428 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
SB had 10, 2 (two pair, tens and twos).
Hero had 8, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $1427.50

Then again, he did call me with a relatively weak hand, so I guess I sort of had the right read. Then again again, he’s a lot more likely to get to the river with a weak two pair than with a weak one pair.

10 thoughts on “One of My Thinner Value Bets”

  1. You think if you raise pre, he gives your bets more thought to having an ace in your hand and thus hitting Broadway?

  2. Looking at this the other way, if you check the river how often does villan check behind? Heads up I would expect to see a bet a lot of the time here, which would suck as there’s a lot I can’t beat … but it’s also the perfect bluffing card, and he’s calling with 10 2 pre-flop and on the flop so folding to $411 sucks too.

    • Just to make one thing clear, he open limped his button with T2, it’s not like he called a raise with it. And there was a lot of history of me barreling at him post-flop when he’d limped.

  3. Now that I’ve slept on it, I think you have to bet. I’m not sure you have to bet as much as you did. Is he good and/or crazy enough to bluff-raise if you bet, say, $280?

    I’m not really trying to get value here (although I’ll be happy if he calls with a lower pair). I’m just trying to get to the showdown as cheaply as possible. The board is such that I think a “nit” would have trouble doing anything except calling if you make a “call me” bet.

    I can’t see any circumstances in which I’d check the river on a board like this against 99% of opponents at this level.

    • That was pretty similar to my reasoning. I don’t feel like I have to bet smaller just because I’m betting thinner, though. A larger bet can represent a polarized range, straight or bluff, against which one-pair may actually have more equity than if I make a smaller bet that seems more consistent with something like two-pair trying to get called.

      • Vs most 25/50 opponents, I agree with your reasoning on the bet size. I’m just wondering if it applies to this guy. I realize not all nits are weak, but a lot of them are. Against a weak-tight nit you’re probably no more likely to get called by one pair if you bet 411 than 280. Possibly much less likely.

        But like I said, not all of them are like that, especially not HU players, and you have a history with this guy so you would have a much better take on this than I.

        • I didn’t mean to imply that this guy was a nit. He was TAG, but not necessarily a bad one, and he’d hero called me before.

  4. Hmm, I like it honestly, though I’d like to know a little more about his pre-flop game in terms of raise vs limp % otb.

    We chop with all the presumed Kx hands in his limping range – and if he’s calling T2 he’s prob calling most Qx.

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