For the second time this year, I’ve dug myself out of a big old hole. Let’s hope it’s the last (that I need to). Here’s the hand that did it:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, $50.00 BB (5 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($9411)
SB ($5550)
BB ($20776)
UTG ($5000)
Hero (MP) ($5444)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $150, 2 folds, BB calls $100
Flop: ($325) 5, 6, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $222, BB raises to $950, Hero raises to $5294 (All-In), BB calls $4344
Turn: ($10913) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($10913) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10913 | Rake: $2
Results:
BB had K, 5 (two pair, tens and fives).
Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $10911
I actually thought for a bit on the flop about whether I wanted to ship it in or just call and look for a non-club turn. I think based on his bet-sizing he has clubs pretty much always, and most of the time he’ll have other outs that will make him basically a coin flip with me (either a 5, an A, or a straight draw). That would seem to argue for a call, since I have position and this information about his hand.
Truthfully, though, I think a call gives him the advantage even though he’s out of position. He knows his hand looks like a flush draw, and if I just call, he’ll know that I’m looking for a non-club turn. So he has pretty much the same information that I do, but he also knows which other cards help his hand, which I do not.
Take this case, for instance. Say I just call. What if an Ace turns and he shoves? I could end up getting bluffed off the best hand. Better to suck it up, get it in, and hope I’ve got his kicker covered!
It was one of those nights where things were just going well. I was getting a lot of decisions right, even those I usually get wrong:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold’em, $10.00 BB (4 handed) – Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($1880)
Hero (SB) ($2047)
BB ($1005)
UTG ($5521)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
UTG bets $35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $123, 1 fold, UTG calls $88
Flop: ($256) J, J, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $188, UTG calls $188
Turn: ($632) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $410, Hero calls $410
River: ($1452) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4800 (All-In), Hero calls $1326 (All-In)
Total pot: $4104 | Rake: $2
Results:
Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
UTG had A, K (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $4102
Actually, I wasn’t getting everything right. I made some big, questionable river bluffs in a heads up match. But, even that crazy image paid off eventually:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold’em, $6.00 BB (2 handed) – Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($2983.75)
Button ($2026.25)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
Button bets $15, Hero raises to $55, Button raises to $149, Hero raises to $444, Button raises to $852, Hero raises to $2983.75 (All-In), Button calls $1174.25 (All-In)
Flop: ($4052.50) 2, Q, 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($4052.50) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($4052.50) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $4052.50 | Rake: $0.50
Results:
Button had K, A (one pair, twos).
Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero won $4052
This was really the first time we’d gone to war pre-flop, too. I mean, there are times when it might be reasonable to stack off 340 BBs to me with AK pre-flop, but this wasn’t one of them.
Glad you’re back at a profit! I enjoy following your poker exploits on this blog. Keep it up!
I prefer the fade-and-go option on the turn on the KK hand. So many outs to dodge!
I like the fade-n-go too…I did some math on it on my brog a while back:
http://spritpot.blogspot.com/2008/03/tptk-rine-on-drawy-board.html
Basically, the increase in equity you get from getting it in on the turn instead of the frop more than compensates for the time that you get pwnd by the outs you don’t know about. Although in your case your pfr and c-bet are a little smaller than in my hand, so as a result the pot is not as big on the flop. But I think this argues even more in facor of waiting until the turn.
You’re worried that he has the same information as you, but what’s he going to do with it? Check/fold a non-club turn? I don’t know this player at all, but in my experience, most players check-raising this flop with pair+draw will just bet/call there, hoping to take you off TT or whatever and knowing that they have some equity no matter what.
Side note: IF you think he’s going to check/fold this turn when he misses his club, you should be calling his check-raise in this spot with ATC and betting non-club turns.
-bruechips
Excellent insight as usual, Brue. I was still arguing with you in my head until I got to the point about floating with any two, which is absolutely the logical conclusion of my flawed reasoning.
Thanks!